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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://benlog.com/articles/2007/03/13/responding-to-ronald/comment-page-1/#comment-17914</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi crypto voter,

I certainly didn&#039;t mean to focus on one system as the only approach: I like to use the Benaloh system in my presentations because it&#039;s particularly simple to explain and requires no additional voter overhead. Punchscan, of course, is a great example of another end-to-end verifiable system, with its own advantages and disadvantages, but with the overarching benefit that you can truly verify your vote.

I&#039;m glad you brought this up, actually, because it&#039;s important to note that cryptographic auditing is a &lt;em&gt;family&lt;/em&gt; of systems, not just a single approach. Different settings may call for different cryptographic auditing techniques, of course, and the point to focus on is the ability to truly verify that your vote counted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi crypto voter,</p>
<p>I certainly didn&#8217;t mean to focus on one system as the only approach: I like to use the Benaloh system in my presentations because it&#8217;s particularly simple to explain and requires no additional voter overhead. Punchscan, of course, is a great example of another end-to-end verifiable system, with its own advantages and disadvantages, but with the overarching benefit that you can truly verify your vote.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you brought this up, actually, because it&#8217;s important to note that cryptographic auditing is a <em>family</em> of systems, not just a single approach. Different settings may call for different cryptographic auditing techniques, of course, and the point to focus on is the ability to truly verify that your vote counted.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://benlog.com/articles/2007/03/13/responding-to-ronald/comment-page-1/#comment-631925</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi crypto voter,

I certainly didn&#039;t mean to focus on one system as the only approach: I like to use the Benaloh system in my presentations because it&#039;s particularly simple to explain and requires no additional voter overhead. Punchscan, of course, is a great example of another end-to-end verifiable system, with its own advantages and disadvantages, but with the overarching benefit that you can truly verify your vote.

I&#039;m glad you brought this up, actually, because it&#039;s important to note that cryptographic auditing is a &lt;em&gt;family&lt;/em&gt; of systems, not just a single approach. Different settings may call for different cryptographic auditing techniques, of course, and the point to focus on is the ability to truly verify that your vote counted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi crypto voter,</p>
<p>I certainly didn&#8217;t mean to focus on one system as the only approach: I like to use the Benaloh system in my presentations because it&#8217;s particularly simple to explain and requires no additional voter overhead. Punchscan, of course, is a great example of another end-to-end verifiable system, with its own advantages and disadvantages, but with the overarching benefit that you can truly verify your vote.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you brought this up, actually, because it&#8217;s important to note that cryptographic auditing is a <em>family</em> of systems, not just a single approach. Different settings may call for different cryptographic auditing techniques, of course, and the point to focus on is the ability to truly verify that your vote counted.</p>
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		<title>By: Crypto voter</title>
		<link>http://benlog.com/articles/2007/03/13/responding-to-ronald/comment-page-1/#comment-17487</link>
		<dc:creator>Crypto voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben and Ronald, you seem to be focusing only on a specific cryptographic voting scheme (for both problems and advantages). There are a very large number of proposed voting schemes that allow cryptographic auditing. Some cryptographic voting schemes do not need ANY computers for voting (e.g., &lt;a href=&quot;http://punchscan.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Punchscan&lt;/a&gt;). Clearly, many of the shortcomings Ronald raises are not relevant in this case. 

In some cases &quot;standard&quot; paper ballots can be used in addition to the cryptographic receipts in order to provide a simple recovery mechanism if tampering is detected. This might allow  us to create a &quot;best of both worlds&quot; type system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben and Ronald, you seem to be focusing only on a specific cryptographic voting scheme (for both problems and advantages). There are a very large number of proposed voting schemes that allow cryptographic auditing. Some cryptographic voting schemes do not need ANY computers for voting (e.g., <a href="http://punchscan.org" rel="nofollow">Punchscan</a>). Clearly, many of the shortcomings Ronald raises are not relevant in this case. </p>
<p>In some cases &#8220;standard&#8221; paper ballots can be used in addition to the cryptographic receipts in order to provide a simple recovery mechanism if tampering is detected. This might allow  us to create a &#8220;best of both worlds&#8221; type system.</p>
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		<title>By: Crypto voter</title>
		<link>http://benlog.com/articles/2007/03/13/responding-to-ronald/comment-page-1/#comment-631924</link>
		<dc:creator>Crypto voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben and Ronald, you seem to be focusing only on a specific cryptographic voting scheme (for both problems and advantages). There are a very large number of proposed voting schemes that allow cryptographic auditing. Some cryptographic voting schemes do not need ANY computers for voting (e.g., &lt;a href=&quot;http://punchscan.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Punchscan&lt;/a&gt;). Clearly, many of the shortcomings Ronald raises are not relevant in this case. 

In some cases &quot;standard&quot; paper ballots can be used in addition to the cryptographic receipts in order to provide a simple recovery mechanism if tampering is detected. This might allow  us to create a &quot;best of both worlds&quot; type system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben and Ronald, you seem to be focusing only on a specific cryptographic voting scheme (for both problems and advantages). There are a very large number of proposed voting schemes that allow cryptographic auditing. Some cryptographic voting schemes do not need ANY computers for voting (e.g., <a href="http://punchscan.org" rel="nofollow">Punchscan</a>). Clearly, many of the shortcomings Ronald raises are not relevant in this case. </p>
<p>In some cases &#8220;standard&#8221; paper ballots can be used in addition to the cryptographic receipts in order to provide a simple recovery mechanism if tampering is detected. This might allow  us to create a &#8220;best of both worlds&#8221; type system.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Crane</title>
		<link>http://benlog.com/articles/2007/03/13/responding-to-ronald/comment-page-1/#comment-16607</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald Crane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Adida, please show us how my presentation attack fails to do what I&#039;ve claimed. If I&#039;ve missed something critical about Benaloh&#039;s scheme that is relevant to that attack, please point it out. The exchange will certainly benefit the debate about Benaloh in particular and crypto-voting in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Adida, please show us how my presentation attack fails to do what I&#8217;ve claimed. If I&#8217;ve missed something critical about Benaloh&#8217;s scheme that is relevant to that attack, please point it out. The exchange will certainly benefit the debate about Benaloh in particular and crypto-voting in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Crane</title>
		<link>http://benlog.com/articles/2007/03/13/responding-to-ronald/comment-page-1/#comment-631923</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald Crane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Adida, please show us how my presentation attack fails to do what I&#039;ve claimed. If I&#039;ve missed something critical about Benaloh&#039;s scheme that is relevant to that attack, please point it out. The exchange will certainly benefit the debate about Benaloh in particular and crypto-voting in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Adida, please show us how my presentation attack fails to do what I&#8217;ve claimed. If I&#8217;ve missed something critical about Benaloh&#8217;s scheme that is relevant to that attack, please point it out. The exchange will certainly benefit the debate about Benaloh in particular and crypto-voting in general.</p>
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		<title>By: alcatholic</title>
		<link>http://benlog.com/articles/2007/03/13/responding-to-ronald/comment-page-1/#comment-16428</link>
		<dc:creator>alcatholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, Ronald, aren&#039;t blogs wonderful. They allow for the public to read such intelligent discourse between two sophisticated writers. Thank you for the surprisingly interesting intro to cryptographic auditing.

I think the white paper is very much needed by your new reading public (I found your site through Avi Ruben&#039;s post on his Congressional testimony, and this is the first I&#039;ve read about crypto auditing)

I look forward to reading the paper, and Ronald&#039;s comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, Ronald, aren&#8217;t blogs wonderful. They allow for the public to read such intelligent discourse between two sophisticated writers. Thank you for the surprisingly interesting intro to cryptographic auditing.</p>
<p>I think the white paper is very much needed by your new reading public (I found your site through Avi Ruben&#8217;s post on his Congressional testimony, and this is the first I&#8217;ve read about crypto auditing)</p>
<p>I look forward to reading the paper, and Ronald&#8217;s comments.</p>
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		<title>By: alcatholic</title>
		<link>http://benlog.com/articles/2007/03/13/responding-to-ronald/comment-page-1/#comment-631922</link>
		<dc:creator>alcatholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, Ronald, aren&#039;t blogs wonderful. They allow for the public to read such intelligent discourse between two sophisticated writers. Thank you for the surprisingly interesting intro to cryptographic auditing.

I think the white paper is very much needed by your new reading public (I found your site through Avi Ruben&#039;s post on his Congressional testimony, and this is the first I&#039;ve read about crypto auditing)

I look forward to reading the paper, and Ronald&#039;s comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, Ronald, aren&#8217;t blogs wonderful. They allow for the public to read such intelligent discourse between two sophisticated writers. Thank you for the surprisingly interesting intro to cryptographic auditing.</p>
<p>I think the white paper is very much needed by your new reading public (I found your site through Avi Ruben&#8217;s post on his Congressional testimony, and this is the first I&#8217;ve read about crypto auditing)</p>
<p>I look forward to reading the paper, and Ronald&#8217;s comments.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://benlog.com/articles/2007/03/13/responding-to-ronald/comment-page-1/#comment-16417</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronald,

This latest message from you makes me realize that you intend to go to any length to make your point. You&#039;ve made up what you &lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt; the Benaloh scheme is, after admitting you haven&#039;t read it in detail, and then (surprise!) you come up with an attack against this made-up scheme. I&#039;m not going to convince you, so I will simply stop here.

For others who remain intrigued about cryptographic auditing, I am putting the finishing touches on a white paper that explains the process in greater detail. I will post it as soon as it&#039;s ready.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronald,</p>
<p>This latest message from you makes me realize that you intend to go to any length to make your point. You&#8217;ve made up what you <em>think</em> the Benaloh scheme is, after admitting you haven&#8217;t read it in detail, and then (surprise!) you come up with an attack against this made-up scheme. I&#8217;m not going to convince you, so I will simply stop here.</p>
<p>For others who remain intrigued about cryptographic auditing, I am putting the finishing touches on a white paper that explains the process in greater detail. I will post it as soon as it&#8217;s ready.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://benlog.com/articles/2007/03/13/responding-to-ronald/comment-page-1/#comment-631921</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronald,

This latest message from you makes me realize that you intend to go to any length to make your point. You&#039;ve made up what you &lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt; the Benaloh scheme is, after admitting you haven&#039;t read it in detail, and then (surprise!) you come up with an attack against this made-up scheme. I&#039;m not going to convince you, so I will simply stop here.

For others who remain intrigued about cryptographic auditing, I am putting the finishing touches on a white paper that explains the process in greater detail. I will post it as soon as it&#039;s ready.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronald,</p>
<p>This latest message from you makes me realize that you intend to go to any length to make your point. You&#8217;ve made up what you <em>think</em> the Benaloh scheme is, after admitting you haven&#8217;t read it in detail, and then (surprise!) you come up with an attack against this made-up scheme. I&#8217;m not going to convince you, so I will simply stop here.</p>
<p>For others who remain intrigued about cryptographic auditing, I am putting the finishing touches on a white paper that explains the process in greater detail. I will post it as soon as it&#8217;s ready.</p>
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