Comments on: What (Who?) Hillary is fighting for http://benlog.com/articles/2008/06/04/what-who-hillary-is-fighting-for/ security, privacy, transparency. Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:03:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mike http://benlog.com/articles/2008/06/04/what-who-hillary-is-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-315677 Mike Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:09:08 +0000 http://benlog.com/?p=169#comment-315677 Ben, Had you seen a different outcome at the RBC meeting last week, you might have seen an earlier concession. But it was pretty clear at that point that unity was not achieved. The "compromise" ended up being a kick to a downed campaign. It was pretty well decided then and there, an immediate concession would have had devastating party consequences. Did she have trouble letting go? I don't know that I would say that as much as I would say she needed a moment to exhale after enduring 18 months of pouring her heart and soul into the most important thing she'd ever done. I agree with you thought. We put it behind us an move forward united. Ben,

Had you seen a different outcome at the RBC meeting last week, you might have seen an earlier concession. But it was pretty clear at that point that unity was not achieved. The “compromise” ended up being a kick to a downed campaign. It was pretty well decided then and there, an immediate concession would have had devastating party consequences. Did she have trouble letting go? I don’t know that I would say that as much as I would say she needed a moment to exhale after enduring 18 months of pouring her heart and soul into the most important thing she’d ever done.

I agree with you thought. We put it behind us an move forward united.

]]> By: Mike http://benlog.com/articles/2008/06/04/what-who-hillary-is-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-632016 Mike Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:09:00 +0000 http://benlog.com/?p=169#comment-632016 Ben, Had you seen a different outcome at the RBC meeting last week, you might have seen an earlier concession. But it was pretty clear at that point that unity was not achieved. The "compromise" ended up being a kick to a downed campaign. It was pretty well decided then and there, an immediate concession would have had devastating party consequences. Did she have trouble letting go? I don't know that I would say that as much as I would say she needed a moment to exhale after enduring 18 months of pouring her heart and soul into the most important thing she'd ever done. I agree with you thought. We put it behind us an move forward united. Ben,

Had you seen a different outcome at the RBC meeting last week, you might have seen an earlier concession. But it was pretty clear at that point that unity was not achieved. The “compromise” ended up being a kick to a downed campaign. It was pretty well decided then and there, an immediate concession would have had devastating party consequences. Did she have trouble letting go? I don’t know that I would say that as much as I would say she needed a moment to exhale after enduring 18 months of pouring her heart and soul into the most important thing she’d ever done.

I agree with you thought. We put it behind us an move forward united.

]]> By: ben http://benlog.com/articles/2008/06/04/what-who-hillary-is-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-315109 ben Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:37:37 +0000 http://benlog.com/?p=169#comment-315109 Mike, You might well be right about the outcome of rallying Clinton supporters behind Obama. That said, I'm not sure that it was pre-meditated: I think Clinton really had trouble letting go. But it doesn't matter much now. Her speech on Saturday was very, very good. Mike,

You might well be right about the outcome of rallying Clinton supporters behind Obama. That said, I’m not sure that it was pre-meditated: I think Clinton really had trouble letting go.

But it doesn’t matter much now. Her speech on Saturday was very, very good.

]]> By: ben http://benlog.com/articles/2008/06/04/what-who-hillary-is-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-632015 ben Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:37:00 +0000 http://benlog.com/?p=169#comment-632015 Mike, You might well be right about the outcome of rallying Clinton supporters behind Obama. That said, I'm not sure that it was pre-meditated: I think Clinton really had trouble letting go. But it doesn't matter much now. Her speech on Saturday was very, very good. Mike,

You might well be right about the outcome of rallying Clinton supporters behind Obama. That said, I’m not sure that it was pre-meditated: I think Clinton really had trouble letting go.

But it doesn’t matter much now. Her speech on Saturday was very, very good.

]]> By: Mike http://benlog.com/articles/2008/06/04/what-who-hillary-is-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-314174 Mike Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:15:40 +0000 http://benlog.com/?p=169#comment-314174 Ben, you have to understand something about campaigns. For the same reason you felt the need to write this passionate entry, Hillary could not have and should not have conceded Tuesday. People fall in love with candidates. This was one of the closest campaigns in modern history (no matter whose numbers you use). There was no doubt Sen. Clinton was going to throw her full support behind Sen. Obama, but had she done so on Tuesday I believe it would have irreparably fractured the millions her supported her and thus the Democratic party. Those supporters were not willing just yet to let go of their hopes, of their dreams of equality and of the feeling that anything is possible. While no doubt there are some Clinton supporters that will not support Obama in November (whether for legitemate political differences or personal beliefs), but that number will be far less because of the way Sen. Clinton handled her concession. She has done everything possible to unite her supporters behind Sen. Obama. I am thankful for her foresight and it makes me proud to be a Democrat. Ben, you have to understand something about campaigns. For the same reason you felt the need to write this passionate entry, Hillary could not have and should not have conceded Tuesday. People fall in love with candidates. This was one of the closest campaigns in modern history (no matter whose numbers you use). There was no doubt Sen. Clinton was going to throw her full support behind Sen. Obama, but had she done so on Tuesday I believe it would have irreparably fractured the millions her supported her and thus the Democratic party. Those supporters were not willing just yet to let go of their hopes, of their dreams of equality and of the feeling that anything is possible. While no doubt there are some Clinton supporters that will not support Obama in November (whether for legitemate political differences or personal beliefs), but that number will be far less because of the way Sen. Clinton handled her concession. She has done everything possible to unite her supporters behind Sen. Obama. I am thankful for her foresight and it makes me proud to be a Democrat.

]]> By: Mike http://benlog.com/articles/2008/06/04/what-who-hillary-is-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-632014 Mike Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:15:00 +0000 http://benlog.com/?p=169#comment-632014 Ben, you have to understand something about campaigns. For the same reason you felt the need to write this passionate entry, Hillary could not have and should not have conceded Tuesday. People fall in love with candidates. This was one of the closest campaigns in modern history (no matter whose numbers you use). There was no doubt Sen. Clinton was going to throw her full support behind Sen. Obama, but had she done so on Tuesday I believe it would have irreparably fractured the millions her supported her and thus the Democratic party. Those supporters were not willing just yet to let go of their hopes, of their dreams of equality and of the feeling that anything is possible. While no doubt there are some Clinton supporters that will not support Obama in November (whether for legitemate political differences or personal beliefs), but that number will be far less because of the way Sen. Clinton handled her concession. She has done everything possible to unite her supporters behind Sen. Obama. I am thankful for her foresight and it makes me proud to be a Democrat. Ben, you have to understand something about campaigns. For the same reason you felt the need to write this passionate entry, Hillary could not have and should not have conceded Tuesday. People fall in love with candidates. This was one of the closest campaigns in modern history (no matter whose numbers you use). There was no doubt Sen. Clinton was going to throw her full support behind Sen. Obama, but had she done so on Tuesday I believe it would have irreparably fractured the millions her supported her and thus the Democratic party. Those supporters were not willing just yet to let go of their hopes, of their dreams of equality and of the feeling that anything is possible. While no doubt there are some Clinton supporters that will not support Obama in November (whether for legitemate political differences or personal beliefs), but that number will be far less because of the way Sen. Clinton handled her concession. She has done everything possible to unite her supporters behind Sen. Obama. I am thankful for her foresight and it makes me proud to be a Democrat.

]]> By: Norm http://benlog.com/articles/2008/06/04/what-who-hillary-is-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-312911 Norm Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:59:37 +0000 http://benlog.com/?p=169#comment-312911 (sigh) crappy math. 2008->2012 and 2012->2016. (sigh) crappy math. 2008->2012 and 2012->2016.

]]> By: Norm http://benlog.com/articles/2008/06/04/what-who-hillary-is-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-632013 Norm Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:59:00 +0000 http://benlog.com/?p=169#comment-632013 (sigh) crappy math. 2008->2012 and 2012->2016. (sigh) crappy math. 2008->2012 and 2012->2016.

]]> By: Norm http://benlog.com/articles/2008/06/04/what-who-hillary-is-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-312567 Norm Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:57:03 +0000 http://benlog.com/?p=169#comment-312567 I agree with one thing you touched on at the end that she may be purposefully doing this to weaken Obama. I think it's quite clear that Hillary has been planning for some time to be president and her window is about to close. She has to have McCain win so that she can run in 2008, since an Obama presidency guarantees that she can't run until 2012. Hillary is in her 60s now and would be pushing 70 by 2012. McCain as a man is getting crap for being in his 70s now. I'm sorry I think the general public would be even crueler to a woman that age. Besides, the current race is going be Nixon-JFK all over again and much as I'd like to believe we have a sophisticated electorate, the young, good looking nominee with excellent delivery is going to beat the skin cancer scarred, crotchety old white guy. I agree with one thing you touched on at the end that she may be purposefully doing this to weaken Obama. I think it’s quite clear that Hillary has been planning for some time to be president and her window is about to close. She has to have McCain win so that she can run in 2008, since an Obama presidency guarantees that she can’t run until 2012.

Hillary is in her 60s now and would be pushing 70 by 2012. McCain as a man is getting crap for being in his 70s now. I’m sorry I think the general public would be even crueler to a woman that age. Besides, the current race is going be Nixon-JFK all over again and much as I’d like to believe we have a sophisticated electorate, the young, good looking nominee with excellent delivery is going to beat the skin cancer scarred, crotchety old white guy.

]]> By: Norm http://benlog.com/articles/2008/06/04/what-who-hillary-is-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-632012 Norm Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:57:00 +0000 http://benlog.com/?p=169#comment-632012 I agree with one thing you touched on at the end that she may be purposefully doing this to weaken Obama. I think it's quite clear that Hillary has been planning for some time to be president and her window is about to close. She has to have McCain win so that she can run in 2008, since an Obama presidency guarantees that she can't run until 2012. Hillary is in her 60s now and would be pushing 70 by 2012. McCain as a man is getting crap for being in his 70s now. I'm sorry I think the general public would be even crueler to a woman that age. Besides, the current race is going be Nixon-JFK all over again and much as I'd like to believe we have a sophisticated electorate, the young, good looking nominee with excellent delivery is going to beat the skin cancer scarred, crotchety old white guy. I agree with one thing you touched on at the end that she may be purposefully doing this to weaken Obama. I think it’s quite clear that Hillary has been planning for some time to be president and her window is about to close. She has to have McCain win so that she can run in 2008, since an Obama presidency guarantees that she can’t run until 2012.

Hillary is in her 60s now and would be pushing 70 by 2012. McCain as a man is getting crap for being in his 70s now. I’m sorry I think the general public would be even crueler to a woman that age. Besides, the current race is going be Nixon-JFK all over again and much as I’d like to believe we have a sophisticated electorate, the young, good looking nominee with excellent delivery is going to beat the skin cancer scarred, crotchety old white guy.

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