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	<title>Comments on: On Vote-By-Mail and Untimely Death</title>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://benlog.com/articles/2008/07/25/on-vote-by-mail-and-untimely-death/comment-page-1/#comment-361394</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris: I guess I should have used the example of someone in a car crash the night before election day. As Joe points out, the issue is when do you consider the vote &quot;cast in stone.&quot; It seems odd to me that the date rules on eligibility would change from one method of voting to another.

But like I said, I don&#039;t feel strongly about this one way or the other, there are good arguments, and it&#039;s a tough one. Yet another issue raised by Vote-by-mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris: I guess I should have used the example of someone in a car crash the night before election day. As Joe points out, the issue is when do you consider the vote &#8220;cast in stone.&#8221; It seems odd to me that the date rules on eligibility would change from one method of voting to another.</p>
<p>But like I said, I don&#8217;t feel strongly about this one way or the other, there are good arguments, and it&#8217;s a tough one. Yet another issue raised by Vote-by-mail.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s think about this in terms of &lt;i&gt;events&lt;/i&gt; in the voting process. We can simplify it to registration, authentication, ballot marking and ballot casting.

It seems reasonable that after a voter has cast their ballot, it should be counted, no?  The tricky bit is when &quot;casting&quot; takes place relative to the other steps.  With vote-by-mail, &quot;authentication&quot; actually takes place, arguably, &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; &quot;casting&quot; (signatures are checked after the ballot is received via mail or hand-delivered to the polling place).  If part of the authentication process includes a check on &quot;is this person dead and therefore ineligible to vote?&quot; it would seem that anyone who cast a VBM ballot and then died wouldn&#039;t have their vote counted.

Another tricky bit is the following case: say a voter votes in a polling place and makes it all the way through the ballot marking stage.  That is, say this voter has a heart attack and dies on the way to casting their ballot in the ballot box (or optical scanner... or hitting the &quot;vote&quot; button on a touchscreen).

While many jurisdictions have &quot;fleeing voter&quot; rules, it doesn&#039;t seem like as many have &quot;dead voter&quot; rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s think about this in terms of <i>events</i> in the voting process. We can simplify it to registration, authentication, ballot marking and ballot casting.</p>
<p>It seems reasonable that after a voter has cast their ballot, it should be counted, no?  The tricky bit is when &#8220;casting&#8221; takes place relative to the other steps.  With vote-by-mail, &#8220;authentication&#8221; actually takes place, arguably, <i>after</i> &#8220;casting&#8221; (signatures are checked after the ballot is received via mail or hand-delivered to the polling place).  If part of the authentication process includes a check on &#8220;is this person dead and therefore ineligible to vote?&#8221; it would seem that anyone who cast a VBM ballot and then died wouldn&#8217;t have their vote counted.</p>
<p>Another tricky bit is the following case: say a voter votes in a polling place and makes it all the way through the ballot marking stage.  That is, say this voter has a heart attack and dies on the way to casting their ballot in the ballot box (or optical scanner&#8230; or hitting the &#8220;vote&#8221; button on a touchscreen).</p>
<p>While many jurisdictions have &#8220;fleeing voter&#8221; rules, it doesn&#8217;t seem like as many have &#8220;dead voter&#8221; rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Backert</title>
		<link>http://benlog.com/articles/2008/07/25/on-vote-by-mail-and-untimely-death/comment-page-1/#comment-361070</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Backert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

I disagree with your logic. If someone dies in a car accident on the way &lt;b&gt;FROM&lt;/b&gt; the voting booth before the polls close their vote isn&#039;t canceled. So by pure, unemotional fairness, neither should the vote of someone who voted by mail and died the day before election day.

 - Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>I disagree with your logic. If someone dies in a car accident on the way <b>FROM</b> the voting booth before the polls close their vote isn&#8217;t canceled. So by pure, unemotional fairness, neither should the vote of someone who voted by mail and died the day before election day.</p>
<p> &#8211; Chris</p>
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